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		<title>By: monaism</title>
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		<dc:creator>monaism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 13:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marx seems to view the society (except for communism) as dominated by one class who controls the culture and advertises certain cultural values: “…the class which is ruling material force of society, is at the same time its ruling intellectual force.” Hall points out that by using media to its interest, the dominant culture constantly tries to make communication transparent and to unify the viewers’ interpretations. Hall argues that viewers do not operate within the ‘dominant’ or ‘preferred’ code and the communication between the media and audience is “systematically distorted communication” and not perfectly transparent. He identifies interpretation as a public matter that depends mainly to cultural backgrounds and social situations. 

Hall seems to correctly suggest that every image/text in mass media is created and used to serve the interest of the dominant class, and that the interests are achieved not through the denotative meaning of the image/text but through connotations. The means of mass media such as television are constantly bombarding their audience with images and tag lines and, despite their ambiguous and indirect messages and forms, they promote certain ways of thinking, lifestyles, and beliefs.
“American” mass media has shaped the global culture through successful transparency between encoding and decoding of the message. Hollywood movies and MTV programs do no seem to offer any alternative ways of interpretation and generally force the viewers to a certain dominant-hegemonic decoding. This globalization of American culture would not have been achieved if viewers did not operate within the ‘dominant’ code.

Marx points out that a more effective way to have control over people and society is to have control over their culture. Western broadcast media well demonstrated this view by their dominance over the global culture. New media and especially cyber technologies offer new means of communication and inexpensive means of production and distribution of news and entertainment. They also offer new possibilities to minority cultures to broadcast their ideas via YouTube or blogs in a less homogenized way. Will the idea of having a certain dominant class, corporate or capitalist force in the world seem to be soon the thing of the past?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marx seems to view the society (except for communism) as dominated by one class who controls the culture and advertises certain cultural values: “…the class which is ruling material force of society, is at the same time its ruling intellectual force.” Hall points out that by using media to its interest, the dominant culture constantly tries to make communication transparent and to unify the viewers’ interpretations. Hall argues that viewers do not operate within the ‘dominant’ or ‘preferred’ code and the communication between the media and audience is “systematically distorted communication” and not perfectly transparent. He identifies interpretation as a public matter that depends mainly to cultural backgrounds and social situations. </p>
<p>Hall seems to correctly suggest that every image/text in mass media is created and used to serve the interest of the dominant class, and that the interests are achieved not through the denotative meaning of the image/text but through connotations. The means of mass media such as television are constantly bombarding their audience with images and tag lines and, despite their ambiguous and indirect messages and forms, they promote certain ways of thinking, lifestyles, and beliefs.<br />
“American” mass media has shaped the global culture through successful transparency between encoding and decoding of the message. Hollywood movies and MTV programs do no seem to offer any alternative ways of interpretation and generally force the viewers to a certain dominant-hegemonic decoding. This globalization of American culture would not have been achieved if viewers did not operate within the ‘dominant’ code.</p>
<p>Marx points out that a more effective way to have control over people and society is to have control over their culture. Western broadcast media well demonstrated this view by their dominance over the global culture. New media and especially cyber technologies offer new means of communication and inexpensive means of production and distribution of news and entertainment. They also offer new possibilities to minority cultures to broadcast their ideas via YouTube or blogs in a less homogenized way. Will the idea of having a certain dominant class, corporate or capitalist force in the world seem to be soon the thing of the past?</p>
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		<title>By: Shi-Jen Feng</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shi-Jen Feng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 09:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think my experience of taking classes in the US might be a good example to demonstrate Hall’s point of Encoding/Decoding. No matter it’s a lecture or a reading assignment, I often get something different out of it then everyone else in the class because my attention is drawn to something in a different direction. There have been a lot of times when I thought the professor was unclear about his point, the others thought he was, or vice versa. It is not always about the translation, but how I was brought up. I interpret things differently in the way that I cannot explain, which might be the reason why lots of my classmates from Dr. Nadin’s class have at least once complained about how clueless they are about the class. For Dr. Nadin being much more experienced in the subject and has a different cultural background, there is misunderstanding. I did have problem with the author’s use of discursive too. From the translations that I got, Hall’s statements didn’t always make sense.

Karl Marx’s The German Ideology would have been a fun reading assignment for me if I could interpret it better. Growing up in Taiwan, of course, our textbooks always belittled communism as much as they could as long as it still sounded “fair”. (Back to Hall’s encoding/ Decoding: we as students are really not that easily manipulated.) What I found interesting was the angle that Marx took to look at the whole “system.” (I can’t come up with any better word to describe it.) And it was not hard for me to understand why communists took over China so rapidly at that time when they did. After my family moved to America, I recall hearing people saying that America is the biggest communist country in the world if you examine the social system. I am not sure if that is necessarily true. But I do find it disturbing that my tax money is being used to feed those drug dealers in prison, homeless people who accept “cash only, no food” along the highways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think my experience of taking classes in the US might be a good example to demonstrate Hall’s point of Encoding/Decoding. No matter it’s a lecture or a reading assignment, I often get something different out of it then everyone else in the class because my attention is drawn to something in a different direction. There have been a lot of times when I thought the professor was unclear about his point, the others thought he was, or vice versa. It is not always about the translation, but how I was brought up. I interpret things differently in the way that I cannot explain, which might be the reason why lots of my classmates from Dr. Nadin’s class have at least once complained about how clueless they are about the class. For Dr. Nadin being much more experienced in the subject and has a different cultural background, there is misunderstanding. I did have problem with the author’s use of discursive too. From the translations that I got, Hall’s statements didn’t always make sense.</p>
<p>Karl Marx’s The German Ideology would have been a fun reading assignment for me if I could interpret it better. Growing up in Taiwan, of course, our textbooks always belittled communism as much as they could as long as it still sounded “fair”. (Back to Hall’s encoding/ Decoding: we as students are really not that easily manipulated.) What I found interesting was the angle that Marx took to look at the whole “system.” (I can’t come up with any better word to describe it.) And it was not hard for me to understand why communists took over China so rapidly at that time when they did. After my family moved to America, I recall hearing people saying that America is the biggest communist country in the world if you examine the social system. I am not sure if that is necessarily true. But I do find it disturbing that my tax money is being used to feed those drug dealers in prison, homeless people who accept “cash only, no food” along the highways.</p>
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		<title>By: Nico Smith</title>
		<link>http://outsidethetext.com/arche/marx-and-hall/comment-page-1/#comment-4195</link>
		<dc:creator>Nico Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 07:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hall states “A ‘raw’ historical event cannot, in that form, be transmitted by, say, a news broadcast. Events can only be signified in the aural-visual forms of television discourse.” I understand that sentiment, however, the one event that kept reappearing to me was when the 2nd plane hit the World Trade Center. Never in my life have I left LESS like I was watching history thorough filter. Maybe it’s because of the impact, maybe it’s because of the fact that it was completely live, maybe it’s a guttural reaction, but I did not feel that the event was in anyway affected by the screen in which I watched it occur. I n my mind, the event did not become a “story,” as Hall states it must . . . the event was literally just transmitted. 

I’m sure Hall would argue that it was still a story, and I understand why. However, the lack of production value caused the event didn’t not have the typical new elements of storytelling. Is this all because of the live nature of it? Or is this just a perfect example of operating inside the dominate code?

I believe that there are moments of absolute clarity among media, on which instances are not “systematic distorted communication” and that “perfectly transparent communication” can in fact exist. I think that Hall is completely correct about almost all being entrenched in this philosophy; however, I think there are moments that can be more powerful than these ideals. I think transparent communications can, and in fact do exist, however they are the exception and not the rule. These are the moments that have not been taken over by the production machine that is media. Hall speaks of producers “failing to get their message across,” however the moments of absolute clarity, at least for me, have been those that the producers have not touched.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hall states “A ‘raw’ historical event cannot, in that form, be transmitted by, say, a news broadcast. Events can only be signified in the aural-visual forms of television discourse.” I understand that sentiment, however, the one event that kept reappearing to me was when the 2nd plane hit the World Trade Center. Never in my life have I left LESS like I was watching history thorough filter. Maybe it’s because of the impact, maybe it’s because of the fact that it was completely live, maybe it’s a guttural reaction, but I did not feel that the event was in anyway affected by the screen in which I watched it occur. I n my mind, the event did not become a “story,” as Hall states it must . . . the event was literally just transmitted. </p>
<p>I’m sure Hall would argue that it was still a story, and I understand why. However, the lack of production value caused the event didn’t not have the typical new elements of storytelling. Is this all because of the live nature of it? Or is this just a perfect example of operating inside the dominate code?</p>
<p>I believe that there are moments of absolute clarity among media, on which instances are not “systematic distorted communication” and that “perfectly transparent communication” can in fact exist. I think that Hall is completely correct about almost all being entrenched in this philosophy; however, I think there are moments that can be more powerful than these ideals. I think transparent communications can, and in fact do exist, however they are the exception and not the rule. These are the moments that have not been taken over by the production machine that is media. Hall speaks of producers “failing to get their message across,” however the moments of absolute clarity, at least for me, have been those that the producers have not touched.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny Mizutowicz</title>
		<link>http://outsidethetext.com/arche/marx-and-hall/comment-page-1/#comment-4193</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenny Mizutowicz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 06:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stuart Hall uses his “encoding/decoding” model to explain the process of mass communication and how misunderstandings arise. Hall rejects the “loop” structure of mass communication because it assumes linearity between the message sent and received. His encoding/decoding model rejects the concept that television broadcasts are merely sending and receiving the same message; it assumes that different meanings constitute the encoding and decoding. This explains why television producers often fail to get their message across to viewers as they intended. Hall describes that there is “no necessary correspondence” or “perfectly transparent communication” involved with encoding and decoding messages (171). The former cannot guarantee the later, which is why misunderstandings exist.  In other words, the message transmitted and received is not the same.

What troubles me in this reading is Hall’s exclusion of all other forms of media in discussion of his encoding/decoding model. Why does he only discuss television broadcast when this model is also applicable to other forms of media such as photography, radio, and cinema? I believe Hall could make any even stronger argument when applying his model to the written word; language alone is more arbitrary than the visual, and therefore can be more easily misinterpreted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stuart Hall uses his “encoding/decoding” model to explain the process of mass communication and how misunderstandings arise. Hall rejects the “loop” structure of mass communication because it assumes linearity between the message sent and received. His encoding/decoding model rejects the concept that television broadcasts are merely sending and receiving the same message; it assumes that different meanings constitute the encoding and decoding. This explains why television producers often fail to get their message across to viewers as they intended. Hall describes that there is “no necessary correspondence” or “perfectly transparent communication” involved with encoding and decoding messages (171). The former cannot guarantee the later, which is why misunderstandings exist.  In other words, the message transmitted and received is not the same.</p>
<p>What troubles me in this reading is Hall’s exclusion of all other forms of media in discussion of his encoding/decoding model. Why does he only discuss television broadcast when this model is also applicable to other forms of media such as photography, radio, and cinema? I believe Hall could make any even stronger argument when applying his model to the written word; language alone is more arbitrary than the visual, and therefore can be more easily misinterpreted.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Curry</title>
		<link>http://outsidethetext.com/arche/marx-and-hall/comment-page-1/#comment-4192</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Curry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 05:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stuart Hall defines message as a form is necessary “form of appearance” of the event in its passage from source. While reading De Saussure, I was looking for an elegant explanation of the sign, signifier and language assimilation process. Stuart Hall uses Pierces iconic sign terminology to define visual language. Pierce and De Saussure are noted for being pioneers of Semiotics. Why did he make the distinction between Pierce and De Saussure? 

Stuart and De Saussure use similar terms to describe the assimilation of visual language. Sign signifier etc. Also, Stuart Hall extends De Saussure’s arguments about value and distinction to language. De Saussure describes the psychological characteristic of language as having a seat in the brain. Stuart briefly explores reality existing outside of language to introduce his points about discourse and code. Would De Saussure agree with Stuart Hall about the communication of language?    Stuart is using visual language to make a point television as a mode of communication and De Saussure does use technology as a mode of communication.   

Finally, I would like to see Carl Marx and Plato have a conversation about the difference between animal and man. Marx makes the distinction about consciousness being the difference between man and animal. Marx would have to further define consciousness in greater details. Also, He dismiss the idea of consciousness in the same  paragraph by stating you can divide man and animal by any term of your choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stuart Hall defines message as a form is necessary “form of appearance” of the event in its passage from source. While reading De Saussure, I was looking for an elegant explanation of the sign, signifier and language assimilation process. Stuart Hall uses Pierces iconic sign terminology to define visual language. Pierce and De Saussure are noted for being pioneers of Semiotics. Why did he make the distinction between Pierce and De Saussure? </p>
<p>Stuart and De Saussure use similar terms to describe the assimilation of visual language. Sign signifier etc. Also, Stuart Hall extends De Saussure’s arguments about value and distinction to language. De Saussure describes the psychological characteristic of language as having a seat in the brain. Stuart briefly explores reality existing outside of language to introduce his points about discourse and code. Would De Saussure agree with Stuart Hall about the communication of language?    Stuart is using visual language to make a point television as a mode of communication and De Saussure does use technology as a mode of communication.   </p>
<p>Finally, I would like to see Carl Marx and Plato have a conversation about the difference between animal and man. Marx makes the distinction about consciousness being the difference between man and animal. Marx would have to further define consciousness in greater details. Also, He dismiss the idea of consciousness in the same  paragraph by stating you can divide man and animal by any term of your choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Janine Curry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janine Curry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 05:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Stuart Hall’s Encoding/Decoding, I understood the article to be discussing mass media but wasn’t exactly sure what he meant by “raw historical event”.  His comment stating “circulation and reception are, indeed, moments of the production process of television” is interesting and food for thought.  Even after reading this article very closely, it seems I don’t truly have a handle on exactly what Hall was trying to say about mass media.  I had a hard time relating to his writing up until page 166 where he is discussing television content.  Isn’t he saying that the content we as an audience view on the television is most important?  I loved the point he made about the three-dimensional world translating into a two dimensional plane-the dog on the TV can bark but the dog can’t bite you.  We often think of images on TV as being reality but in essence they are not reality at all.  The content of television is a representation of a reality through a two dimensional medium. I would like to discuss and get a better understanding of hegemony.  

Regarding Karl Marx, there is mention on the first page of the modern Young-Hegelian Philosophy, what exactly is this philosophy?  I would like to understand this better.
Marx says “men can be distinguished from animals by consciousness”.  I have heard this quote several times in the past and I am wondering if this was Marx’s original idea or did the idea stem from another person?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Stuart Hall’s Encoding/Decoding, I understood the article to be discussing mass media but wasn’t exactly sure what he meant by “raw historical event”.  His comment stating “circulation and reception are, indeed, moments of the production process of television” is interesting and food for thought.  Even after reading this article very closely, it seems I don’t truly have a handle on exactly what Hall was trying to say about mass media.  I had a hard time relating to his writing up until page 166 where he is discussing television content.  Isn’t he saying that the content we as an audience view on the television is most important?  I loved the point he made about the three-dimensional world translating into a two dimensional plane-the dog on the TV can bark but the dog can’t bite you.  We often think of images on TV as being reality but in essence they are not reality at all.  The content of television is a representation of a reality through a two dimensional medium. I would like to discuss and get a better understanding of hegemony.  </p>
<p>Regarding Karl Marx, there is mention on the first page of the modern Young-Hegelian Philosophy, what exactly is this philosophy?  I would like to understand this better.<br />
Marx says “men can be distinguished from animals by consciousness”.  I have heard this quote several times in the past and I am wondering if this was Marx’s original idea or did the idea stem from another person?</p>
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		<title>By: Clint Gunter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clint Gunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 04:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Encoding/Decoding, Stuart Hall describes a process of communication between broadcasting and receiving messages specifically through television.  In this process between one person or group to another person or group, a message is transferred, or communicated. In their efforts to get this message across, “the broadcasting structures must yield encoded messages in the form of a meaningful discourse” (165). The point is, without the encoding process, there is no meaningful discourse.

But it does not stop there. Even though a message of some sort may have been encoded for a particular audience, that audience must take that and then decode it. “Before this message can have an ‘effect’ (however defined), satisfy a ‘need’ or be put to a ‘use’, it must first be appropriated as a meaningful discourse and be meaningfully decoded. It is this set of decoded meanings which ‘have an effect’, influence, entertain, instruct or persuade...” (165). The message, only after the decoding process, has an effect on the audience.

There are problems, however. A way something is encoded may be different from the way something has been decoded.  If there are two sides of the exchange, encoding and decoding, what matters the most in this triangle, so to speak, is the top point. This is the middle ground between what has been encoded and what has been decoded. While each side may even be very different, this meeting point is what matters most in the exchange. The only problem is that no one actually experiences this middle ground. On one side, of the equation, there is the message pre-encoding that is understood by the bearer. On the other, there is the message post-decoding, understood by the recipient. If something is never experienced by anyone, if there is no arbiter that stands outside the equation, does this middle ground even exist? How could it be proven? If Hall is the arbiter, then who is the arbiter over the Encoding/Decoding piece? It seems there is a hole in the equation, the content of which can be sensed but not proven.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Encoding/Decoding, Stuart Hall describes a process of communication between broadcasting and receiving messages specifically through television.  In this process between one person or group to another person or group, a message is transferred, or communicated. In their efforts to get this message across, “the broadcasting structures must yield encoded messages in the form of a meaningful discourse” (165). The point is, without the encoding process, there is no meaningful discourse.</p>
<p>But it does not stop there. Even though a message of some sort may have been encoded for a particular audience, that audience must take that and then decode it. “Before this message can have an ‘effect’ (however defined), satisfy a ‘need’ or be put to a ‘use’, it must first be appropriated as a meaningful discourse and be meaningfully decoded. It is this set of decoded meanings which ‘have an effect’, influence, entertain, instruct or persuade&#8230;” (165). The message, only after the decoding process, has an effect on the audience.</p>
<p>There are problems, however. A way something is encoded may be different from the way something has been decoded.  If there are two sides of the exchange, encoding and decoding, what matters the most in this triangle, so to speak, is the top point. This is the middle ground between what has been encoded and what has been decoded. While each side may even be very different, this meeting point is what matters most in the exchange. The only problem is that no one actually experiences this middle ground. On one side, of the equation, there is the message pre-encoding that is understood by the bearer. On the other, there is the message post-decoding, understood by the recipient. If something is never experienced by anyone, if there is no arbiter that stands outside the equation, does this middle ground even exist? How could it be proven? If Hall is the arbiter, then who is the arbiter over the Encoding/Decoding piece? It seems there is a hole in the equation, the content of which can be sensed but not proven.</p>
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		<title>By: David Hrisco</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Hrisco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 03:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marx: German Ideology and Stuart’s Message

Marx’s critique of German Ideology focuses on several concepts.
The common ground between Marx and Stuart lies in the construct of Stuart’s analysis of the language behind and complexity of mass communications: “Discursive knowledge is the product not of the transparent representation of the “real” in language but of the articulation of language on real relations and conditions. Thus there is no intelligible discourse without the operation of code” (p.167, Hall). While Stuart addresses the complexity of the “message”, he refers to representation of signs (Peirce). Stuart compares these complexity of “encodes” to Marx’s divisions of Labor. 

Along with labor, Marx’s critique of German ideologists, specifically, the Hegelian, which are a group of German philosophers. Their beliefs toward religion contributes to the lack of German history. Furthermore, Marx critiques the lack of German history through his analysis of  the divisions of government and labor. He addresses three forms of government: Tribal, ancient, and feudal. Marx discusses in detail the role of production, which Stuart, refers to in the complexity of “production, circulation, distribution, and consumption of communications. Stuart address these roles as non-linear operations.

 Marx addresses “the four aspects of the primary historical relationships. This leads Marx into a difficulty discussion regarding “Consciousness”. Although it seemed fragmented at times, specifically this statement: “Life is not determined by consciousness, but consciousness by life”. I was confused by this dialogue but, I feel this whole treatise on consciousness relates to Stuart’s argument of complexity of layers within the message, and the idea of history which Marx states: ”Viewed apart from real history, these abstractions have in themselves no value whatsoever. They can only serve to facilitate the arrangement of historical material, to indicate the sequence of its separate strata.” This seems to be the key relation to Stuart’s break-down of what he referred to as a non-linear process or break in the circuit. I would like to discuss the non-linear break and how this relates to Marx’s critique of German history.?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marx: German Ideology and Stuart’s Message</p>
<p>Marx’s critique of German Ideology focuses on several concepts.<br />
The common ground between Marx and Stuart lies in the construct of Stuart’s analysis of the language behind and complexity of mass communications: “Discursive knowledge is the product not of the transparent representation of the “real” in language but of the articulation of language on real relations and conditions. Thus there is no intelligible discourse without the operation of code” (p.167, Hall). While Stuart addresses the complexity of the “message”, he refers to representation of signs (Peirce). Stuart compares these complexity of “encodes” to Marx’s divisions of Labor. </p>
<p>Along with labor, Marx’s critique of German ideologists, specifically, the Hegelian, which are a group of German philosophers. Their beliefs toward religion contributes to the lack of German history. Furthermore, Marx critiques the lack of German history through his analysis of  the divisions of government and labor. He addresses three forms of government: Tribal, ancient, and feudal. Marx discusses in detail the role of production, which Stuart, refers to in the complexity of “production, circulation, distribution, and consumption of communications. Stuart address these roles as non-linear operations.</p>
<p> Marx addresses “the four aspects of the primary historical relationships. This leads Marx into a difficulty discussion regarding “Consciousness”. Although it seemed fragmented at times, specifically this statement: “Life is not determined by consciousness, but consciousness by life”. I was confused by this dialogue but, I feel this whole treatise on consciousness relates to Stuart’s argument of complexity of layers within the message, and the idea of history which Marx states: ”Viewed apart from real history, these abstractions have in themselves no value whatsoever. They can only serve to facilitate the arrangement of historical material, to indicate the sequence of its separate strata.” This seems to be the key relation to Stuart’s break-down of what he referred to as a non-linear process or break in the circuit. I would like to discuss the non-linear break and how this relates to Marx’s critique of German history.?</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Naasz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob Naasz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 02:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Coming to the end of our reading by Marx I found myself wondering what Marx would have thought about the personal computer, a machine that is so embedded in our lives that both our economy and our society would not be the same without it. I think Marx would have looked at the personal computer, an invention of American capitalism as a tool of communism.

Marx would have been highly interested in the computers ability to destroy what Marx calls &quot;an exclusive sphere of activity&quot; by allowing individuals access to vast amount of information. Thus in a sense using a computer someone can go hunting in the morning, fishing in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, and criticize after dinner, but to an even greater degree. On the computer I can multitask allowing me to do all those things and more.

Marx would have also seen the computer&#039;s ability to connect people as a powerful communist tool. As Marx states, &quot;it is clear that the real intellectual wealth of the individual depends entirely on the wealth of his real connections.&quot; Networks and the Internet which allows for the information of the world to be accessible at the touch of a button would help individuals be &quot;liberated from the various national and local barriers, [and] be brought into practical connection with the material and intellectual production of the whole world.

The personal computer is quite a paradox. On the one hand it has such strong ties to capitalist society and business. It created and opened up many new ways to make money, and yet it also has very strong ties to communism and the freeing of the individual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coming to the end of our reading by Marx I found myself wondering what Marx would have thought about the personal computer, a machine that is so embedded in our lives that both our economy and our society would not be the same without it. I think Marx would have looked at the personal computer, an invention of American capitalism as a tool of communism.</p>
<p>Marx would have been highly interested in the computers ability to destroy what Marx calls &#8220;an exclusive sphere of activity&#8221; by allowing individuals access to vast amount of information. Thus in a sense using a computer someone can go hunting in the morning, fishing in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, and criticize after dinner, but to an even greater degree. On the computer I can multitask allowing me to do all those things and more.</p>
<p>Marx would have also seen the computer&#8217;s ability to connect people as a powerful communist tool. As Marx states, &#8220;it is clear that the real intellectual wealth of the individual depends entirely on the wealth of his real connections.&#8221; Networks and the Internet which allows for the information of the world to be accessible at the touch of a button would help individuals be &#8220;liberated from the various national and local barriers, [and] be brought into practical connection with the material and intellectual production of the whole world.</p>
<p>The personal computer is quite a paradox. On the one hand it has such strong ties to capitalist society and business. It created and opened up many new ways to make money, and yet it also has very strong ties to communism and the freeing of the individual.</p>
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		<title>By: Allen Jung</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allen Jung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 02:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Television had come a long way in its very short history. However, television programming and production I believe made a bigger transformation from past to present.  Advertising agencies and television producers are constantly finding new ways to capture us.. the viewer&#039;s attention.  Sometimes I find myself viewing a very entertaining and quite clever commercials but in the end have no recollection of what the commercial was about.  In this sense, I really wonder if they still care about the message anymore.  It seems to me that they are more interested in linking signifier and signified.  Come up with something clever and unique, link it with an identifiable logo/image to help us recognize a certain brand or company so that next time we go shopping for a certain item or a service, we will recollect an image of the most effective brand image, ultimately purchasing it.  This is strictly speaking in terms of tv ads ofcourse.  Hall says that the producers who make these television ads and programs are constantly trying to figure a way to cross the original message without diluting it in the encoding process of the viewer.  However, this is quite impossible since they cannot control who and when the viewers are receiving these messages.  While Decoding can be carefully calculated and executed.  Encoding these messages introduces too many variables.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Television had come a long way in its very short history. However, television programming and production I believe made a bigger transformation from past to present.  Advertising agencies and television producers are constantly finding new ways to capture us.. the viewer&#8217;s attention.  Sometimes I find myself viewing a very entertaining and quite clever commercials but in the end have no recollection of what the commercial was about.  In this sense, I really wonder if they still care about the message anymore.  It seems to me that they are more interested in linking signifier and signified.  Come up with something clever and unique, link it with an identifiable logo/image to help us recognize a certain brand or company so that next time we go shopping for a certain item or a service, we will recollect an image of the most effective brand image, ultimately purchasing it.  This is strictly speaking in terms of tv ads ofcourse.  Hall says that the producers who make these television ads and programs are constantly trying to figure a way to cross the original message without diluting it in the encoding process of the viewer.  However, this is quite impossible since they cannot control who and when the viewers are receiving these messages.  While Decoding can be carefully calculated and executed.  Encoding these messages introduces too many variables.</p>
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