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		<title>By: Emmanuel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emmanuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 06:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I got from the Derrida reading is his thoughts on the way of working outside the realm of writing to archive concepts and looking at the way in which the process of archiving is a means of death for a text/book.  Key point -will the book have a future? -Yes, whether virtual or electronic this (digital) is the new “book to come.” 		

The whole reading was kind of confusing.  In the Word Processor, I think he agrees that the “echo”  of a lecture can also be found in a machine -an example when he gives lectures.  But then he’ll say computers/machines are problematic.  He seems to go back and forth...

Towards the end of Paper or Me, You Know...., he talks about how public communication (in the electronic world) can be “globalized” in a matter of hours after it happens without being able to control it and that because of this lack of “self-protection”, he doesn’t use email or surf the internet.  I think this is interesting in that we are creating new responsibilities when problems like this arise and instead of  going forward with new media, we are sometimes held back to fix those problems.  My question is can we always solve or prevent these problems especially in this new digital/electronic world?  -I doubt it, I think human error is more prone in the digital media.  Derrida needs to get over it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I got from the Derrida reading is his thoughts on the way of working outside the realm of writing to archive concepts and looking at the way in which the process of archiving is a means of death for a text/book.  Key point -will the book have a future? -Yes, whether virtual or electronic this (digital) is the new “book to come.” 		</p>
<p>The whole reading was kind of confusing.  In the Word Processor, I think he agrees that the “echo”  of a lecture can also be found in a machine -an example when he gives lectures.  But then he’ll say computers/machines are problematic.  He seems to go back and forth&#8230;</p>
<p>Towards the end of Paper or Me, You Know&#8230;., he talks about how public communication (in the electronic world) can be “globalized” in a matter of hours after it happens without being able to control it and that because of this lack of “self-protection”, he doesn’t use email or surf the internet.  I think this is interesting in that we are creating new responsibilities when problems like this arise and instead of  going forward with new media, we are sometimes held back to fix those problems.  My question is can we always solve or prevent these problems especially in this new digital/electronic world?  -I doubt it, I think human error is more prone in the digital media.  Derrida needs to get over it.</p>
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		<title>By: Megmo</title>
		<link>http://outsidethetext.com/arche/derrida-paper-machine/comment-page-1/#comment-22</link>
		<dc:creator>Megmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 04:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Key Points: The change from paper to digital is just one in a progression of media changes in the history of writing. The main difference between print and digital media is the level of efficiency in creation/editing. While digital media make creation and editing faster, it&#039;s too easy to erase things now, and books have the advantage of (sort of)necessitating closure. Books aren&#039;t going to disappear anytime soon, and anyway our digital experience is strongly shaped by paper conventions. Even so, this move from paper to electronic archival is a huge change for our society, even for those who don&#039;t have access to computers. We need to consider them, too.

Confusion: I got lost in some of his more poetic wording in the interviews. (Seriously, he came up with that on the fly?) What is an &quot;Aufklarung (p.17)&quot;?

Discussion: He talks about &quot;paperless&quot; people and the need to consider what will happen to them, but for the most part this writing seemed to be about implications for scholars and others with access to computers. (&quot;As for those people who, nowadays, don&#039;t themselves use either typewriters or computers, you can count them on the fingers of one hand.&quot; p.29) How does the tech gap change what he says? Is it only a matter of the time frame?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Key Points: The change from paper to digital is just one in a progression of media changes in the history of writing. The main difference between print and digital media is the level of efficiency in creation/editing. While digital media make creation and editing faster, it&#8217;s too easy to erase things now, and books have the advantage of (sort of)necessitating closure. Books aren&#8217;t going to disappear anytime soon, and anyway our digital experience is strongly shaped by paper conventions. Even so, this move from paper to electronic archival is a huge change for our society, even for those who don&#8217;t have access to computers. We need to consider them, too.</p>
<p>Confusion: I got lost in some of his more poetic wording in the interviews. (Seriously, he came up with that on the fly?) What is an &#8220;Aufklarung (p.17)&#8221;?</p>
<p>Discussion: He talks about &#8220;paperless&#8221; people and the need to consider what will happen to them, but for the most part this writing seemed to be about implications for scholars and others with access to computers. (&#8220;As for those people who, nowadays, don&#8217;t themselves use either typewriters or computers, you can count them on the fingers of one hand.&#8221; p.29) How does the tech gap change what he says? Is it only a matter of the time frame?</p>
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		<title>By: Christi Nielsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christi Nielsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 04:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>key points - The &quot;end of the book&quot; or the &quot;book to come&quot; is really just a reinvestment in the idea of accumulating and archiving information as the book/library model always has.  Digital works will not eliminate the use of paper.

not a key point, but I was interested in the section regarding the ritual of using pen and paper when writing.  Does our intrigue with nostalgia affect the writing?  Handwritten notes/ideas are far more beneficial to me as I can trace my thought pattern through the captured gestures.

Hard to say if I&#039;m not understanding as I feel as if I&#039;m trying to follow someone running in circles.

I&#039;d be interested in your comments regarding the handless writing discussion.  Is this more about the gesture?  After all, the writing doesn&#039;t come from the hand, but the mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>key points &#8211; The &#8220;end of the book&#8221; or the &#8220;book to come&#8221; is really just a reinvestment in the idea of accumulating and archiving information as the book/library model always has.  Digital works will not eliminate the use of paper.</p>
<p>not a key point, but I was interested in the section regarding the ritual of using pen and paper when writing.  Does our intrigue with nostalgia affect the writing?  Handwritten notes/ideas are far more beneficial to me as I can trace my thought pattern through the captured gestures.</p>
<p>Hard to say if I&#8217;m not understanding as I feel as if I&#8217;m trying to follow someone running in circles.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be interested in your comments regarding the handless writing discussion.  Is this more about the gesture?  After all, the writing doesn&#8217;t come from the hand, but the mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Dblair</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dblair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 04:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand that Derrida is really interested in weather or not new technologies will totally replace old ones or weather they will exist simultaneously. Its almost as if he is questioning weather or not innovation will override tradition. This is with regard to books, as well as, writing itself.

I was unclear about what his absolute stance was on the future of the book&#039;s place in society.

What I would like to be discussed is the idea of virtualization of media. Weather we continue to store things in books or transition to virtual mediums, isn&#039;t it true that the information is still perishable? If this is so which medium is more beneficial? Virtual space has the advantages of efficiency and causing less clutter, but if the technology to access this virtual information were to disappear the information would no longer exist. Physical  space creates clutter (the need for places created to store and archive information) but the information can still be accessed with no need for technology,thus, it may remain available longer. What do you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand that Derrida is really interested in weather or not new technologies will totally replace old ones or weather they will exist simultaneously. Its almost as if he is questioning weather or not innovation will override tradition. This is with regard to books, as well as, writing itself.</p>
<p>I was unclear about what his absolute stance was on the future of the book&#8217;s place in society.</p>
<p>What I would like to be discussed is the idea of virtualization of media. Weather we continue to store things in books or transition to virtual mediums, isn&#8217;t it true that the information is still perishable? If this is so which medium is more beneficial? Virtual space has the advantages of efficiency and causing less clutter, but if the technology to access this virtual information were to disappear the information would no longer exist. Physical  space creates clutter (the need for places created to store and archive information) but the information can still be accessed with no need for technology,thus, it may remain available longer. What do you think?</p>
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		<title>By: ValerieT</title>
		<link>http://outsidethetext.com/arche/derrida-paper-machine/comment-page-1/#comment-19</link>
		<dc:creator>ValerieT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 01:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Understanding: Derrida is questioning what is the &quot;book.&quot; It almost seems as though the book is questioning itself; what is a &quot;finished product?&quot; Does this define a &quot;book?&quot; Many of the questions Derrida brings up are focused on what lies between the paper and the machine.

Confusion: Am I allowed to say that everything was confusing? In truth it feels as though everything Derrida is trying to explain ends up with more questions then answers. This book, in particular, exists to allow us to question everything. Which is great, but it can also lead to more confusion.

Issues: In this world of &quot;virtual&quot; (which I use  in reference to the internet in this case) can there be a pure virtual archive? Will we ever move away from the world of physical (i.e. ones that you hold in your hand) books? I had a very Fahrenheit 451 feeling at the end of the reading this week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Understanding: Derrida is questioning what is the &#8220;book.&#8221; It almost seems as though the book is questioning itself; what is a &#8220;finished product?&#8221; Does this define a &#8220;book?&#8221; Many of the questions Derrida brings up are focused on what lies between the paper and the machine.</p>
<p>Confusion: Am I allowed to say that everything was confusing? In truth it feels as though everything Derrida is trying to explain ends up with more questions then answers. This book, in particular, exists to allow us to question everything. Which is great, but it can also lead to more confusion.</p>
<p>Issues: In this world of &#8220;virtual&#8221; (which I use  in reference to the internet in this case) can there be a pure virtual archive? Will we ever move away from the world of physical (i.e. ones that you hold in your hand) books? I had a very Fahrenheit 451 feeling at the end of the reading this week.</p>
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		<title>By: lo</title>
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		<dc:creator>lo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 00:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understood that Derrida doesn&#039;t foresee the book as we know it disappearing anytime soon because we have trouble giving up what we&#039;re so accustomed to.  Writing in a computer is more efficient by giving faster access to various resources.  Also, the digital can accommodate writing that was once on paper while paper cannot always accommodate digital, but people don&#039;t have to stop using one just because they use the other.

Most of my trouble just comes from Derrida talking a lot, and it takes me a long time to read everything.  How many times has he said something along the lines of, &quot;Don&#039;t worry, I&#039;m getting to your question.&quot;  I just have to reread to let the ideas sink into my head.

In digital, would we lose that definitive &quot;finished product&quot; that a physical paper seems to represent, or when would we consider something so malleable a finished product?  When we can edit what we make public at any time (even in forums, administrators have the possibility of changing anything anyone writes after one has posted), how do we accept something as a finished product?  Only when it&#039;s in print on physical paper?  Does the concept of a finished product not matter anymore?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understood that Derrida doesn&#8217;t foresee the book as we know it disappearing anytime soon because we have trouble giving up what we&#8217;re so accustomed to.  Writing in a computer is more efficient by giving faster access to various resources.  Also, the digital can accommodate writing that was once on paper while paper cannot always accommodate digital, but people don&#8217;t have to stop using one just because they use the other.</p>
<p>Most of my trouble just comes from Derrida talking a lot, and it takes me a long time to read everything.  How many times has he said something along the lines of, &#8220;Don&#8217;t worry, I&#8217;m getting to your question.&#8221;  I just have to reread to let the ideas sink into my head.</p>
<p>In digital, would we lose that definitive &#8220;finished product&#8221; that a physical paper seems to represent, or when would we consider something so malleable a finished product?  When we can edit what we make public at any time (even in forums, administrators have the possibility of changing anything anyone writes after one has posted), how do we accept something as a finished product?  Only when it&#8217;s in print on physical paper?  Does the concept of a finished product not matter anymore?</p>
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		<title>By: jduff</title>
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		<dc:creator>jduff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2007 21:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The key points I got from the text were trying to understand the relationship of paper to a persons identity.  Addressing the importance and future of the &quot;book&quot;, and the differences associated with it and word processors and/or electronic text.

I was a little confused with Derrida&#039;s ideas on &quot;a book in the book&quot; (ch.2 p.15) and with the way he draws conclusions about it.  I wasn&#039;t sure exactly what he was trying to say about the comparison of books to electronic writing as far their &quot;endings&quot; go.  Is he saying books are the same ... that neither really end?

I think the reading raises some important issues about how we store and catalog books.  Issues about if we will continue to always use and have books and paper. More importantly if paper and books do go away then what happens to our identities? What would be the effects of a  shift into an electronic system?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The key points I got from the text were trying to understand the relationship of paper to a persons identity.  Addressing the importance and future of the &#8220;book&#8221;, and the differences associated with it and word processors and/or electronic text.</p>
<p>I was a little confused with Derrida&#8217;s ideas on &#8220;a book in the book&#8221; (ch.2 p.15) and with the way he draws conclusions about it.  I wasn&#8217;t sure exactly what he was trying to say about the comparison of books to electronic writing as far their &#8220;endings&#8221; go.  Is he saying books are the same &#8230; that neither really end?</p>
<p>I think the reading raises some important issues about how we store and catalog books.  Issues about if we will continue to always use and have books and paper. More importantly if paper and books do go away then what happens to our identities? What would be the effects of a  shift into an electronic system?</p>
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